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DENNIS: The true self will never take you away from God any more than the river can take you away from its water. If we become an auto mechanic and live our life in and with the presence of God and as an expression of God then that is a far deeper communion than some theologians may experience.

MIKE: True. But would it be fair to say 99% of auto mechanics don't think of their work as a gift from God and pray during the day? They are focused on getting parts, and learning about the computerized engines, and installing parts properly, etc. All of those are important considerations for the customer, but they do take us away from God. I've never experienced a "spiritual" auto mechanic, although in theory they do exist.

DENNIS: There is a turning away from religion that can take us further from God and then there is a turning away from reliance on religion that brings us closer.

MIKE: That was my point, exactly. On this discussion board (for the six months I have participated), the discussion has always focused on increasing the spiritual life -- not choosing a new occupation that allows less time to spend on spiritual matters.

DENNIS: In regard to the true self, as analogy, we don't really understand what electricity is despite the volumes of scientific research. Some understand electricity through books and school. Some have heard about some aspects of it from others. --and some have inadvertently pissed on an electric fence. One of those is a life altering way of learning about electricity and the belief is irreversable, even though that person may or may not continue to study about electricity. Different ways of knowing.

MIKE: But electricity is a tangible good. Electricity is bought and sold. Electricity exists whether one believes it or understands it. However, many people have never heard of the "true self." Those who do are either admirers of Thomas Merton and embrace the concept, or they reject the notion as having any substantive content. Souls exist, whether we choose to believe they do or not. Is the "true self" another word for our souls: the part of us that remains after earthly death and is born to eternal life? Our souls can guide us on earth in our choices, just as the true self can guide us.

DENNIS: There is the story of the Unitarian who dies and approaches Heaven. He sees a sign pointing to the left which says "this way to Heaven." He also sees a sign pointing to the right which says "this way to go to learn how to think about Heaven." Off he goes.

MIKE: I love the Unitarians for being so accepting of people from other walks of life -- many of whom suffered discrimination in their old churches. But at the same time, I enjoyed your bit of humor.
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